G'day,
Not quite. Joe has a lot of miles and has watched/helped with a lot
of builds. He also part owned Moxie (60' ex racing tri) for a while.
Thanks for all the interesting sail ideas on this thread. Most entertaining.
regards,
Rob
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Doug Haines <doha720@yahoo.
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> thank you robert.
>
> do you know the relationship between oster and russ brown, i can't see much
> but think oster is a promotion/web site/camera man who has no real
> understanding of sailingboats or building them himself.
>
> --- On Wed, 22/4/09, Robert <cateran1949@
>
> From: Robert <cateran1949@
> Subject: [harryproa] Re: extra sails for light airs
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou
> Date: Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 8:57 AM
>
> -I think this is a very good point. Rare Bird is probably under sailed even
> for cruising. Simply a bigger rig to start with and reef when most boats
> need to reef.
>
> -- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, Doug Haines <doha720@... > wrote:
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>> any reply to the point abourt rare bird being a HEAVY harryproa. wouldn't
>> rapscallion' ish like harryproas do pretty good in the 5 knot iwnds?
>>
>> --- On Tue, 21/4/09, Herb Desson <squirebug@. ..> wrote:
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>> From: Herb Desson <squirebug@. ..>
>> Subject: [harryproa] Re: extra sails for light airs
>> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
>> Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 7:27 PM
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>> Sorry I wasn't really clear. What I actually have in mind about the stay
>> sail is similar to what you describe except the tack (lower front) of the
>> sail is attached to the bottom of the foremast instead of between the bows.
>> It would be sheeted to the main (aft) boom, with the head attached to the
>> top of the main mast.
>>
>> As you say, shunting would require some preparation. However, I would not
>> expect frequent shunting in a light air situation, or if required, just go a
>> bit slower with working sail.
>>
>> BTW what I meant by a mule is a triangular sail sheeted to the top of the
>> main mast, tacked to the bottom of the foremast and the head at the top of
>> the foremast. Between staysail and mule you fully fill the area between the
>> masts with a bit of overlap between the staysail and the mainsail.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Herb
>>
>> --- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Robert" <cateran1949@ ...> wrote:
>> >
>> > -Makes a lot of sense for a mule. Is a stayless rig allowed to have a
>> > staysail? For a schooner I would think a screecher off a bridle between the
>> > bows. The bridle can be adjusted to bring the tack to ww for better downwind
>> > performance. Also an extra triangle sail for the aft mast tacked to the ww
>> > hull. Need all hands on deck when it comes to a shunt
>> > r -- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Herb Desson" <squirebug@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In the case of a schooner, I fancy a staysail and mule. This would
>> > > approximately double the sail area. The mule would be about 40% of working
>> > > sail area, the staysail about 60%.
>> > >
>> > > Best regards
>> > > Herb
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Robert" <cateran1949@ > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > What are the latest thoughts for extra sails for light air?
>> > > > My 2c
>> > > > -Big asymmetric hanging on a bridle between the two bows. This
>> > > > requires a bit of a hassle when shunting.
>> > > > _ Big symmetric attached to both lee bows with the ability to harden
>> > > > up either edge whichever becomes the luff. A bit like a flexible dyna rig.
>> > > > difficult to make such a sail but this is used in square riggers with some
>> > > > success. Todd's examples using a stiff sail gives some plausibility to
>> > > > this.. If it worked, would be the easiest to shunt
>> > > > - Two screechers on roller reefing on each bow. Hard to keep enough
>> > > > tension on the forestay and extra windage when not needed and makes the mast
>> > > > need to work in a different way
>> > > > -Screecher or asymmetric on a prodder on the boom. Awkward to
>> > > > balance the rig
>> > > > -Hang a high lift kite between the mast top and the ww bow
>> > > > -have an extra track on the mast and have a 5-6m extension to get
>> > > > some of the extra wind up high. Not as much area as the other options
>> > > > -Go telescopic for an extra 60-80%. Complexity and getting sails
>> > > > that cover the possible differences in mast shapes
>> > > > -Simply have a taller mast and reef earlier. extra windage when not
>> > > > needed.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
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